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Satan, Not Nicole, Is the Enemy

5/5/2011 12:16:14 PM

Tags: religion, Christianity, atheism, agnosticism, Islam, Judaism, Wicca, new age, Satanism, evangelism, Metafilter, spirituality, Keith Goetzman

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Are you Andy the Atheist, Jenna the Jew, or Willow the Wiccan? If so, be prepared for someone—let’s call her Chrissie the Christian—to chat you up about her close personal friend, Jesus.

Andy, Jenna, and Willow are three types of non-Christians profiled on a website run by Dare 2 Share Ministries, an evangelical youth ministry organization. The group’s resources page offers tips on ways to “share your faith” with 14 different kinds of people, from Mo the Muslim to Sid the Satanist, by getting inside their spiritual space.

Given the source, the basic information about each “worldview” is surprisingly fair-minded, breaking down, for example, even the dark abyss that is Satanism into bite-size bits. But things steer quickly out of hand when it comes to the proselytizing tips, which are presented under the innocuous-sounding “things to remember” heading. Because apparently the only reason evangelical Christians would try so hard to understand another spiritual belief system is so they can tear it down—slyly and strategically, that is.

Here are some of the more eyebrow-raising passages:

Willow the Wiccan: “Whether Willow knows it or not, she is in the grips of Satan, so like Sid the Satanist, be sure and cover your relationship and conversations with her in a ton of prayer.”

Jenna the Jew: “Jenna has been raised with little knowledge about Jesus Christ, so when you feel it could be appropriate, talk about how Jesus literally and perfectly fulfilled over 300 prophecies made about the coming Messiah. … Your main goal is not to persuade Jenna that Jesus is the Messiah—it is a means to an end, and that end is that she needs to see that she fails to keep God’s Law. It is not good enough for her to do her best; God requires perfection, so you need to get Jenna to the point where she knows that God will not overlook her failures or forgive her on the basis of their mitzvot (good deeds).”

Alisha the Agnostic: “Bottom line with an agnostic: remember you cannot argue someone to faith in Christ, but you can (and should) live such a Christlike life that those around you sense something different, which opens the door for you to explain the ‘evidence.’ ”

Nicole the New Ager: “When talking to Nicole, remember that you are entering a huge spiritual battle, so put on the full armor of God, and remember that the enemy is Satan, not Nicole (Ephesians 6).”

(Thanks, Metafilter.)

Source: Dare 2 Share Ministries 

Image by I Don’t Know, Maybe. Licensed under Creative Commons. 



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Occum
7/1/2011 12:34:46 PM
Here is an excerpt from an interview with Dr. Richard Leakey. Make of it what you will but the underlying premise is the premise that Man created God in his image. FLATOW: Are you saying it's a worldwide fear of evolution, or is it mostly in the United States? Dr. LEAKEY: I think it's growing. I think it's - it is worldwide. I think it's much more of a case in areas where Christianity is - and Islam have a lot of influence. And I think the fundamentalist approach to religion that you're seeing both in those two great religions is making this worse. But you find it in Europe. You find it in England. You find it in Africa. In fact, there are very few African leaders who believe in human evolution and science.

rodeen
6/9/2011 7:57:57 AM
Steve first of all I will refrain from calling you stupid as you have identified me as stupid Christian fundamentalist. What tolerance! Tolerant of the tolerant type of tolerance that appeals to me. Your world of moral relativism does far more harm to culture than fundamentalist of any persuasion. Second it is absurd for you to determine what Jesus wanted. YOu apparently have no idea. You have read a verse or two in the bible and think that sums it up? What did Jesus mean when he said “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" You dont have to believe he said that or believe in him but to pretend he did not say this thing and hundreds of others like it is foolishness. Further more Jesus last words were for his disciples to go out and preach this gospel in all corners of the earth. If the "fundamentalist" did not do this it would not be a religion it would be a philosophy.

steve eatenson
6/1/2011 5:42:27 PM
I once heard that it is OK to believe whatever you want as long as no one can prove you wrong and as long as your belief does no harm. Trouble is, this fundamentalist, radical Christian belief does harm as does fundamentalist Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, whatever fundamentalist extreme belief you want to come up with. It narrows thought down to non-questioning and persecutes those who don't play follow the dogmatic leader. Jesus never intended this absurdity. Neither did the Buddha or any of the other wayshowers. These are means by which manipulative powermongers lead the dumb to give up thier power to them while they enjoy the very materialism that many of them convince the stupid to give over to them in the name of an unseen God.

rodeen
5/16/2011 8:39:15 AM
Amazing insight Roy. I think after your thought provoking post I will renounce my faith. @enigma, hilarious. Philosophy touche. I went to the site and read the Jennathejew. These are of course generalizations but I dont see any thing terribly wrong with the characterzation? Please enlighten.

Roy L Payne
5/14/2011 11:13:51 AM
If people continue to pray to the "desert war god of the middle east", they will continue to be led by the nose with craziness and ignorance. When will this planet evolve to a place where there will be peace and cooperation without the foolish, outdated and childish mythologies? Wake up people, quit being stupid...open your eyes and see the truth about who and what you really are.

EnigmaGirl
5/14/2011 8:25:56 AM
Well... I went to the site and it is both flawed and terribly misleading on a number of notes contrary to some observations here. Speaking as "Jenna the Jew" I find it most upsetting that a philosophy that claims to come from our faith so grossly misunderstands it's own origins. It would be totally offensive if it weren't so silly. As for the article, I think it was fine and not designed to "go after" the Christians but point out the fallacies of this particular group's evangelical notions and the extraordinarily simple and juvenile understanding they have of those they seek to convert. It is more entertaining than it is editorial. And this group is more ditzy than damaging.

rodeen
5/12/2011 8:32:43 AM
What was good about this article exactly? The keen insight? The ground breaking look inside the Christian tactics? My favorite was the part about Christians praying. How silly is that for people to actually pray. Now that I think about it this was eye opening.

Kathy Stover
5/11/2011 4:36:49 PM
Hmm, labeling? Really? Is that what Christians do to everyone else? Perhaps they should gear their "cheat codes" to the individual, not the label. Good article, anyway.

rodeen
5/11/2011 4:30:08 PM
Bravo it has been some time since there has been some Christian bashing around here. It must have been excruciating to hold back for so long. I totally fail to see the point of this article. Christians want to save you big surprise. Penn Jillete a hard core athiest says he appreciates believers evangelizing to him. Because if this person truly believes Penn is going to hell what type of person would he be to not try and give him the information necessary to save himself? A phony. Most religions dont want ya they are more than content for you to burn in Hell but lets single out the Christians for caring. Bravo Bravo.

jrock6467
5/11/2011 2:32:33 PM
Personally, I can't figure out why you guys are seemingly trying to make such a big deal out of this. I checked the page out and couldn't find anything too crazy, inconsiderate, or even factually incorrect. Seemed alright to me.

Dave Lamp
5/9/2011 3:21:54 PM
The difficulty with religious conversations is that folks involved in them tend to forget that they have to start out like any conversation about preferences. There's nothing quite as dispiriting to a good discussion about music when you find out that the person you're talking to thinks that anyone who like Baroque music is mental! Common ground is first then preferences. Free will is a wonderful thing but so is election but Baptists and Presbyterians have often forgotten that being Christian is the FIRST priority. Same for the Muslims, Mormons and Wiccans... We're inthis journey of faith together. After all, if God is sovereign... I'm grateful for all the mercy and grace I've shown on my journey! The least I could do would be to act the same way to others... Thanks for the reminder to listen...



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