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| 2/14/2008 11:46:52 AM


Tags: China, Reincarnation, Buddhism, Dalai Lama,

Buddhists intent on reincarnation had better fill out the appropriate forms. An article from the China Post has announced that reincarnation by senior Tibetan Buddhist monks, also known as “living Buddhas” is now regulated by the government of China. It’s thought that the regulation is an effort to crack down on the Dalai Lama and his supporters. Although officially an atheistic entity, the Chinese government has decreed, “The reincarnation of living Buddhas must undergo application and approval procedures.”

Bennett Gordon

(Thanks, Tricycle.)

Mongol
4/13/2008 8:46:45 PM

Mongol ruled china.Mongol and Tibet completely different nation from chinese. Chinese have no idea what is mongol & tibet culture and value.


Changchub_3
2/19/2008 3:14:56 PM

Dear Blue Sky, At this point we are splitting historical hairs. Chinese has come in modern terms to mean anything from the region that is China, including all it's ethnic subgroups, and formerly separate nations that have now been subsumed by the PRC. If one were to want to get as specific as you are being, the only truly "Chinese" dynasty would be the Chin dynasty, from where the English got their word for the region: "China." However, this makes for much confusion given that people today use the word China to apply to the whole area. Finally, regardless of any of this,it really matters not which dynasty the Dalai Lama negotiated with to consolidate his control of central Tibet, only that what happened as a result was to set a very dangerous historical precedent. Any time political considerations are held up above the freedom of other lineages to practice the dharma, very negative karma is created. The communist chinese are creating very bad karmas as well, I do not deny this. Changchub


Blue Sky_2
2/18/2008 11:10:13 PM

Changchub la, I don't agree with "All dynasties in China are....have been Chinese dynasties". Yuan and Qin Dynasty is not Chinese dynasty. Mongolians and Manchus are not ethnic sub-group. Indeed they are DIFFERENT NATION. Whole issue of claim over Tibet comes from Yuan rule over Tibet. China occupied, liberated in their language, Tibet, Southern Mongolia and Uigar.


Changchub_2
2/16/2008 1:08:12 PM

Blue Sky: In the language in which you are writing (English), Chinese is NOT a specific ethnic designation, but rather a political and regional one. ALL dynasties in China are, and have been Chinese dynasties regardless of which ethnic sub-group they were comprised of. I think perhaps you might mean that the Han (an ethnic designation of which large portions of modern day China is comprised) have been ruled by people of other descent, however, this argument is completely specious, and really has nothing to do with what was being discussed here. Perhaps if you were to have read the above discussion more carefully you would also have realized that nobody involved in either side of this discussion here supports the People's Republic of China, or denies that the Chinese gov't is involved in deception on a regular basis. The REAL point here is that two wrongs don't make a right, and that just because the People's Republic of China misrepresents history and abuses power, does not make it right that the Dalai Lama and the Central Tibetan Gov't are currently and have been for centuries, lying and abusing power as well. Sometime do a little research on the history of the "old" lineages in Tibet and see how they've been treated over the years by the Dalai Lama and his gov't, and you might realize that the idea of a peaceful unified Tibet under the wise guidance of the Dalai Lama is a fiction promulgated by the exiled Tibetan Gov't in furtherance of their continued grabs for power from the Lamas of other lineages.


Blue Sky_1
2/15/2008 8:34:39 PM

China should stop telling that Yuan and Qin Dynasty is Chinese Dynasty. In fact, Chinese are ruled by foreigners twice in its history. By Mongolians and Manchus (a descendant of Mongolians. Chinese false claim over Tibet is coming up with the utter lie of Yuan Dynasty is Chinese Dynasty. Face the truth! Don't lie to the world!


bardonaut_2
2/14/2008 6:54:30 PM

changchub: Thanks for (repeatedly) backing me up. lilion: i would only add that as a practicing Buddhist (many hours of meditation per week) it would be easy for me to take offense (which i don't) at the suggestion that my views have been influenced by the current Chinese regime. In fact my tsawe-lama (root guru) was recognized by His Holiness the 16th Karmapa as the reincarnation of a high lama who died in Chinese custody during the 1959 invasion of Tibet! Frankly your presumption that my dim view of the Dalai Lama MUST mean an embrace of the current Chinese regime smacks of the type of simplistic psuedo-rationality i have come to expect out of all religious extremists. For the record, my disdain for both the Chinese government and the Tibetan exiled government stem from the same cause: both are autocratic regimes which suppress the twin freedoms of religion and speech and demand mindless obedience. The fact that the Dalai Lama's exiled "government" has in the past two decades tried to impose its control over both the Nyingma and Kagyu lineages of Tibetan Buddhism belies their self-titled status as "virtuous ones" (Gelugpa).


changchub_1
2/14/2008 6:11:55 PM

lilion: Gotta go with bardonaut for the most part on this one. Although what you say is true about the "great" 5th DLs rise to power through Gushri Khan, what you do not mention is that the Mongolians were at that point in time in control of large portions of China, and that in spite of dynastic changes in the interim, China has considered a number of Tibetan regions as belonging to them ever since. What bardonaut mentions about the DLs enthronement and confirmation is competely true, and regardless of the DEGREE of control exercised by China in Tibetan regions over the succeeding centuries, it is clear from history, that belonging to China in name, can at any point in time turn into belonging to China for real! You also neglected to mention that the "propping up" of the 5th DL by Gushri Khan is said to have been accompanied by the beheading of 1000 abbots of the Kagyu lineage, and the forceable conversion of those monasteries to the Dalai Lama's Gelugpa order. Now, I have never read what you refer to as a CCP history book (I assume you mean Chinese Communist Party). I was born and raised in America (fairly anti-communist family to boot, and I personally lean right of middle on most issues by today's western standards) I think perhaps more westerners should consider not taking the Central Tibetan Government in Exile's word for granted on all things Tibetan, and do some independent research of their own before deciding they know what's up with what has been an incredibly complicated political, and religious issue for centuries.


lilion
2/14/2008 3:59:23 PM

bardonaut: The 5th Dalai Lama did not give Tibet to China as vassal state. I guess you were educated with the CCP's history books (as expected, always one sided and completed distorted). The 5th DL came to power when the Mongolian leader Gushri Khan propped him up.


bardonaut_1
2/14/2008 2:17:38 PM

You know it's funny. We seem to hear about China's "new" policy regarding reincarnate lamas quite a bit. For some reason, though, there is never any mention that the Dalai Lama's "government" led directly to this situation. The first step was taken when the 5th Dalai Lama gave Tibet to China as a vassal in return for control over Tibet. From this point on all Dalai Lamas had to be confirmed by Beijing and enthroned under an image of the Chinese Emperor. Much to the dismay of many Tibetans, the Dalai Lama's Lhasa regime solidified Chinese legal rights in the reincarnation process when - in the 18th century - they successfully appealed to the Chinese "authorities" to ban the reincarnation of His Holiness the Kunzig Shamarpa (the Red Hat Karmapa). In fact it wasn't until the early 20th century that the militaristic 13th Dalai Lama attempted to regain the independence from China that his government had previously so cavalierly handed over to them. All of this is public record. Is this void of accurate information merely the result of lazy reporting, or are the Dalai Lama's many students in the Western media intent on obfuscating the truth in emulation of the Tibetan exiled government?