In Tune with the Earth: An interview with Cloud Cult’s Craig Minowa

Rock stars. Some time in the last decade, the
ever-unpredictable rebels stopped smashing guitars and started
cleaning up after themselves. And not just in their hotel rooms —
this new breed is treading lightly on the planet.

Perhaps you’ve considered the toll our beloved music
industry takes on the environment, with its plastic packaging and
intercontinental tours. Cloud Cult certainly has. The innovative indie
band, based from an organic hobby farm in northern Minnesota,
produces music through the self-created label Earthology Records.
Though no one buys Cloud Cult albums just because of their
eco-conscious bent, it’s refreshing when a talented group not only
sings about the value of earth and life, but backs up those lyrics
with some respectful production moves. Seemingly small things like
recycling plastic CD cases, offsetting emissions, and supporting
renewable energy all show Cloud Cult’s consideration for the
planet. In an interview with bandleader Craig Minowa
explains the messages behind the band’s music and their
environmental ways.

How would you describe Cloud Cult, musically

That’s always a tough one. We generally get categorized as
college indie rock, and that’s a very large genre of sounds, but it
tends to be a little more experimental than mainstream music. We
don’t adhere to any single genre, so if you’re listening to an
album track by track it can change a lot. You can be in the midst
of a song that somebody would consider straight-up folk, and then
go to something that seems more rock, and then go into something
that’s almost techno. It kinda flops all over the place. We don’t
want to get pigeon-holed as a single genre because that would get

Are there lyrical themes?

Definitely. There seems to be a progression with the lyrics.
With each album they seem to be evolving more and more in a
philosophical, spiritual analysis. Not in a preachy sense, but more
in trying to understand what it all means and really taking a hard
look at mortality. And trying to put value on the short time that
we have here on the planet, trying to understand or at least
pontificate about what happens after we leave here.

The band has received a lot of attention for being an
eco-conscious and socially responsible band as well as a musically
sharp one. Can you explain the steps you’ve taken to earn such a

From the very start things have been different with Cloud Cult
than with a lot of your traditional bands out there. With the first
album (Cloud Cult was just me at that time; it was a studio act), I
finished and realized that there was really no way to duplicate the
CD in a way that I felt comfortable with, since that first album
had some inclinations of environmental messaging in it. (I went to
school for environmental science.) So with the first album I had to
start from scratch in figuring out how to duplicate the CDs in an
environmentally friendly way, and that’s where Earthology Records

With your standard CD, if you’re buying a plastic jewel case,
that’s a petroleum-based product; it’s not biodegradable. There are
all sorts of toxins that are made when you make that plastic. All
of the inserts are virgin paper and there’s all sorts of toxins in
making that glossy-coated. And then it’s shrink-wrapped in PVC
[polyvinyl chloride], which is one of the most toxic plastics out
there. It creates a lot of dioxin when you make the plastic
shrink-wrap and it makes dioxin when you destroy it, if you
incinerate it. That was just something I couldn’t do, so initially
we didn’t even do shrink-wrapping.

We started off the process by putting out letters to college
bookstores, asking them to put a box out with a note on it that
asks students to recycle their jewel cases. If you try to take your
jewel cases to the recycling center they actually won’t take them
because there’s no way to recycle them. Over time it got to the
point that a lot of recycling centers had the Earthology contact
info. So when people bring their jewel cases there, the recyclers
know, ‘Earthology Records recycles them.’

So we get boxes and boxes and boxes of donated jewel cases and
sift through them by hand by the thousands, and hand-clean them,
and reuse those. We separately print out 100 percent post-consumer
recycled paper that we insert into them. We’ve been working with
the University of Illinois for the past few years on that
shrink-wrap, and we finally have a biodegradable, biopolymer,
corn-based shrink-wrap that actually dissolves in the rain and just
makes fertilizer.

With the touring: that opens up a whole can of worms that we had
to address. We put solar panels on the van. We got a diesel van, so
we’ve been able to use biodiesel. We figure out how much CO2 we put
out with our travel, we figure out how much electricity we use on
stage and in hotels, and with the whole process, and we buy enough
green energy wind credits from NativeEnergy to compensate for all that. And
then we plant enough trees to absorb any of the pollutants that we
made on the tour.

How exactly does the farm play into the Cloud
Cult/Earthology project?

It’s a little organic hobby farm. My wife and I just finished an
intense canning session, which was really nice. Basically the goal
is to ultimately grow enough that we can sustain ourselves on it,
maybe even go to farmers’ markets. My wife is an herbalist, so she
would like to be able to grow a lot of her own herbs.

As far as the band goes, the recording studio is here. That’s
where the last three albums have been recorded. With the new album
that’s coming out we’ve been doing some recording at the bass
player’s recording studio, Essential Sessions Studios, down in St.
Paul, too. So we have two studios going at once.

[The farm’s studio] is a very modest studio, and I much prefer
working in it, just because it tends to be pretty quiet and I like
it mellow. With the touring you’re always in busy club settings and
in the heart of really big cities. It’s nice to get back from the
tours and come back to the farm and sit out on the deck and watch
the aurora borealis and then go downstairs to the studio and write
a song.

Is it difficult to balance all of these different
aspects: the band, the label, and the thought that goes into making
it a sustainable project?

For the band and the label itself, that’s not all that
difficult. It really is more than a full-time job, and
unfortunately just because of the level that it’s at, it’s not a
full-time job that pays enough to cover all the bills associated
with it, plus living expenses. So on top of that I also am an
environmental scientist for the
Consumers Association
. So a good chunk of my daytime hours are
actually spent doing that work.

When we’re touring I’ve got mobile technology on my laptop, so
while we’re cruising down the highway I can be online researching
studies and writing reports and things like that. It’s incredibly
difficult to juggle. It’s really, really exhausting, and I’m hoping
that sometime soon finances start working out. Album sales are
picking up and tours have actually generated funding, whereas in
the past you’d lose money being out on the road, as most bands do.
But we’re finally to the point where the crowds are big enough to
validate driving all over the country a few months out of the

Speaking of your shows, did you want to say anything
about the live painters you have at them?

Personally I’ve always liked going to see bands that have some
sort of interesting visual thing going on. Unless you’re a
musician, it can get boring watching a musician play for an hour.
It’s interesting but I even get bored after a while. Music’s great,
but there should be something there that titillates all the

We’ve got two full-time Cloud Cult painters that tour with us
and they do paintings from scratch as we perform on stage. Connie
Minowa is one of them and Scott West is the other. The paintings go
up for bid at the end of the night and the highest bidder takes it
home. That’s how they make their money on the road, and at the same
time it gives the audience something fun to watch.

Is there a story behind the band’s name?

Yeah, there’s a sect of Hopi prophecy that translates into
‘cloud cult.’ These prophecies basically talk about the different
progressions of humanity or humankind on the planet. In the
prophecies they say we’re at the end of the third era of humankind
and that the fourth era is really living in harmony with the planet
and with each other. But there’s a lot of transition in the third
era moving into the fourth era.

The interesting thing about those processes are how specific
they are. The cave drawings date prior to the pioneers coming, but
they actually have pictures of the first whites that came through.
The first one that they have is this guy with a red hat, and the
first explorer that went through that area was known for always
wearing that red hat. They talk about how the settlers would move
in, and they call the settlers Technology Man because they love
their toys so much. They basically move in and every tribe in North
America ends up signing different kinds of agreements and treaties
with Technology Man. The Hopi people do not because there is
nothing on their land that Technology Man wanted — it was just
arid, void. But one of the signs of moving from the third to the
fourth era is where Technology Man comes into the Hopi land and
finds fuel that powers the technology toys. That’s when you know
you’re starting to move into the cusp period into the fourth era.
Basically that’s what’s happened. We’ve been going in there to mine
out uranium, even though we have no right to it whatsoever.

The overall Cloud Cult prophecies talk about, not how technology
itself is bad, but about how there’s obviously a balance with it.
And they talk about how the people that survive the transition of
the cusp period will be those who know how to work the land, who
know how to feed themselves from the land.

Is there a story behind the name of the last album,
Advice from the Happy Hippopotamus?

It’s kind of a hokey story… I used to keep a dream journal and
I would have this recurring character in there that was this
hippopotamus. I always had those dreams when there was some kind of
transition going on in my life, or at a point when I needed to be
taught a lesson or hear some kind of advice. There would be this
hippo, and I would be running behind it in the woods, and all the
sudden we’d be going through this white tunnel. And the hippo never
actually talked to me in the dreams, but I felt like there was some
kind of message that it left me with.

I didn’t know what the concept of the album was when I started,
but I ended up digging through my dream journals a lot and seeing
those little bits of advice and I thought, ‘Well that’s a cool
thing to put in a song.’ So we put those little tidbits in there
and ultimately, as the album started coming together, I realized,
‘Wow there’s a lot of songs here based on those hippo dreams and
the advice from those dreams, so give the hippo credit.’

What’s in the forecast for Cloud Cult?

We’ll have a pretty lengthy spring tour in support of our new
album, The Meaning of 8.

Cloud Cult’s new album, The Meaning of 8, is
available now through the band’s website and will be in record stores on
April 10.

Cloud Cult is:Craig Minowa, who drives the effort
as songwriter, lead vocalist, and also plays keys and guitar as
well as masterminding drum loops and sound effects; Dan Greenwood,
who handles percussion and backup vocals; Sarah Young, who plays
cello, keys, and sings backup; bassist Matthew Freed, who also
contributes on the keys and percussion. At live shows Connie Minowa
and Scott West paint and Adrian Young does video

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